I will try to give my answers here, but just curious, as to why Premils like myself seem to always get shouted down here, as when we give what we believe scriptures are teaching get put down?
This explains it quite real from a premil viewpoint
It isn't just the date setting mindset. It is the wasted time of making and encouraged studying of charts based upon the assumptions and interpretations of the book of Revelation based upon pour genre misapplication and poor hermeneutics as well as misapplied passages from Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, etc.
David, You give me an explanation and back it up by scripture. You. You can do that by answering the four questions.
You must be reading a different thread. Maybe I haven't been clear enough. It isn't the charts alone. The charts are based upon teaching. It is the teaching that the charts signify. Just type in Chart of Revelation or of the Bible and you will get a load full of stuff that is overly full of assumption and misapplied scripture. It is mind boggling. It is a way for the Christian to be misdirected from Messiah the Prince's Mediatorial Kingdom and Kingship. It is a poor Christology. Christology is the root doctrine effected by this stuff.
I now sure see how that's so.
Just to be clear, amillenialism has Christ returning to destroy evil and rescue his people. He will not dwell again with the wicked (he did that the first time)
Just to be clear, amillenialism has Christ returning to destroy evil and rescue his people. He will not dwell again with the wicked (he did that the first time)
Those sources that I cited were giving in better fashion what my thoughts are in regards to the questions posted, as I do think that those of us here who are not Amil seem to be getting undue burden on proving our points in regards to the Second Coming of the Lord.
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Again, i was asked to address what my position was as a premil , so why the continual put down of my position, as this is really due to how one understands the prophetic elemt in scripture, as to how much is spiritually and how much is literal fulfillment?
Your position has evil persisting after he comes. That's the difference. The Scriptures I quoted show that his coming brings instant destruction to all his and our enemies. Do you interpret those Scriptures differently? Please read them again and let me know.
That is indeed true, as that would be a main reason for the premil position, as we do not see the Lord Jesus having all of his enemies being put down under Him until that glorious Messianic Age.
I do not see at all how one view upon the Person of Jesus is affected by how they view Eschatology!
I see that you are still misunderstanding the classic premil position, as we would hold that the creation/nature itself will have the curse placed upon it by God lifted at time of Second Coming, when the saints are glorified, and so that will indeed be the timne foretold when children shall handle snakes, lions and lambs lie down together. The end time rebellion is when God shows to us that a perfect environment does not mean all is well, as a multitude will abide by obeying Jesus due to Him having rod of iron, but their hearts are still far from him, as shown by final rebellion. Jesus knows that those still of the flesh can be tempted, so satan shut away for all but end of His reign!
His coming will end Armageddon and cause massive deaths, but there shall be survivors to enter into his Kingdom rule.
Where are you getting this falsehood that those of us advocating for the premil position see the OT sacrifices offered up sins being reestablishment of Christ? We would see them as being memorials to what he already has done for His redeemed, under the scriptures that you cited, and not as a means to have sins forgiven or as a means of salvation.
How can there be a disaster when the Lord Jesus Himself is the ruler and the One administering justice in that time? Is God somehow not able to make it work as it should be, especially after Jesus has lifted the curse of the Fall upon creation at His returning?