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I tend to see this as the pre mil viewpoint best establishes the Messianic Age as foretold by the OT Prophets.
I know what premil teaches, and if partial preterism is true, then premil is wrong.
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I tend to see this as the pre mil viewpoint best establishes the Messianic Age as foretold by the OT Prophets.
And how does this principally come to pass? By means of regeneration or force? Does Jesus come back with an iron rod and force everyone into submission? I am not trying to create a faulty dichotomy. Jesus will destroy his enemies by force. But not necessarily in order to establish and expand his Kingdom. This happens by means of regeneration.there shall be only Him being worshiped as the real and true Lord.
Could it be that many of those prophecies relate either to the end of the exile and/or Christ's first coming?
I am not claiming these prophecies are allegorical or symbolic either, as amills are routinely charged with. I just do not think such colorful language is absolutely woodenly literal that seems to ignore word plays and things like metaphors.
I am open to that suggestion, as I do think that all of us will be surprised in some fashion when it all plays out as God intends.Could it be that many of those prophecies relate either to the end of the exile and/or Christ's first coming?
I am not claiming these prophecies are allegorical or symbolic either, as amills are routinely charged with. I just do not think such colorful language is absolutely woodenly literal that seems to ignore word plays and things like metaphors.
Then so would the other options like Amil/Post Mil also.I know what premil teaches, and if partial preterism is true, then premil is wrong.
Except that there still remains some NT prophecy not fulfilled in AD 70, as pretierists seem to hold with as happening.Right. And this becomes easier to grasp when we grasp partial preterism. Days of judgment that occurred within history were often identified with language that was very 'end-of-the-worldly'. Of course, history and creation did not cease with the destruction of Jerusalem in the sense that history and creation carried on. But in a very real way the history and culture of OT Israel had ended and a new age had been ushered in.
If this is true, why can't the same type of language be utilized to express the blessings of the return from exile, birth of the savior, and the NT age in general?
Well, Paul does state that when Jesus returns with His flaming Angels, they will execute fiery judgment upon those who have denied the Gospel and rejected Jesus, correct?And how does this principally come to pass? By means of regeneration or force? Does Jesus come back with an iron rod and force everyone into submission? I am not trying to create a faulty dichotomy. Jesus will destroy his enemies by force. But not necessarily in order to establish and expand his Kingdom. This happens by means of regeneration.
I too believe that Jesus will return and will from thereon be only worshiped on the earth - but this is because he has delivered the Kingdom over to his Father and has brought together heaven and earth and given us glorified bodies.
Then so would the other options like Amil/Post Mil also.
Well, Paul does state that when Jesus returns with His flaming Angels, they will execute fiery judgment upon those who have denied the Gospel and rejected Jesus, correct?
It seems pretty obvious how it is intended by having the historical books first then the Prophets which have a lot of history too, showing how it is and was interpreted.I am open to that suggestion, as I do think that all of us will be surprised in some fashion when it all plays out as God intends.
If you are talking Full Preterist then this is heaven. Partial (as I keep saying, it is a shame that it has to be labeled to distance itself from borderline cultish though) has a different mindset than the all or nothing mindset of dispensationalists and full preterists.Then so would the other options like Amil/Post Mil also.
He will execute judgment upon those who denied Jesus as Messiah.Right, so will he kill the unbelievers or convert them for the millennium?
Or the Kingdom is here in partial, but not not yet in its fullness.It seems pretty obvious how it is intended by having the historical books first then the Prophets which have a lot of history too, showing how it is and was interpreted.
If you are talking Full Preterist then this is heaven. Partial (as I keep saying, it is a shame that it has to be labeled to distance itself from borderline cultish though) has a different mindset than the all or nothing mindset of dispensationalists and full preterists.
Either the Kingdom is now because the king has actually come and 'inagurated' it or the opposite extreme is that of Hagee, that Jesus is not Messiah or King right now but a good teacher during his first coming.
He will execute judgment upon those who denied Jesus as Messiah.
When the see Him whom they killed off, when Jesus appears at His second coming.So no mass conversions? When does Israel get converted?
When the see Him whom they killed off, when Jesus appears at His second coming.
I am not saying kill off, but he does judge them for their rejection of Him, and it does say that he slays many at the end when he appears in revelation, correct?So there is at least one group that Jesus doesn't kill off?
I am not saying kill off, but he does judge them for their rejection of Him, and it does say that he slays many at the end when he appears in revelation, correct?
There will be normal human being still alive after Jesus returns to populate the earth.You don't have a clear account of what's happening. On one hand many are killed off, but that doesn't explain the following:
a) there has to be enough people for a golden age, yet where do these people come from--as the church has always been a minority?
b) there will be those who fall away at the end of the millennium. But that raises a problem: the believer can't fall away. So where did the unbeliever come from during the millennium?
What "return" is this? The Second Coming and the judgment immediately following?There will be normal human being still alive after Jesus returns to populate the earth.
During the reign of Jesus, there will be those who merely profess Him, and will show their true colors at the end of that time.
The time of when Jesus returns to earth at His second coming, and then the lost will be judged and have judgment executed upon them, and then we go into the time of Him ruling over all the nations and people left on the earth.What "return" is this? The Second Coming and the judgment immediately following?
Some time before the judgment?
Please explain.
The time of when Jesus returns to earth at His second coming, and then the lost will be judged and have judgment executed upon them, and then we go into the time of Him ruling over all the nations and people left on the earth.
There will be normal human being still alive after Jesus returns to populate the earth.
During the reign of Jesus, there will be those who merely profess Him, and will show their true colors at the end of that time.
No, for my understanding of the judgment of all sinners is that happens at end of the reigning of Christ here on the earth.
So Jesus comes sometime before the Judgment, rules on earth populated by believers and non-believers for some period of time, then the Judgment. Have I understood you correctly, David?No, for my understanding of the judgment of all sinners is that happens at end of the reigning of Christ here on the earth.
Just upon the wicked still alive at His second comingIn this post you said he will execute fiery judgment with his angels at his coming. Which coming is that?
When the second coming happens, all of the saved who died in Christ, and those alive shall be glorified, to be in the same type of form that Jesus has, and those still living in their normal bodies shall go into the earthy reign of Jesus,So Jesus comes sometime before the Judgment, rules on earth populated by believers and non-believers for some period of time, then the Judgment. Have I understood you correctly, David?
How long will this earthly reign of Jesus to last?
Just upon the wicked still alive at His second coming
Among those who will be born during that time.So where do the wicked come from in the millennium who will rebel at the end of the 1,000 years?
Among those who will be born during that time.
Believe that in Isaiah 65:17, the prophet talks about this reigning of Messiah as time when children die at 100 years of age.