TylerRay
Puritan Board Graduate
So, God is not pleased with governments countenancing Satanism, but they ought to do it anyway?
What, if anything, should the state do about heresy?
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No, I am just saying that God allows for us here in America, due to being a republic, to choose to do things and act in ways that are sinful and things that God hates, but still permits to be done for now.
Parakaleo
Puritan Board Sophomore
Has it occurred to you that the Lord can permit evil to continue on this earth because he is God and has all sovereignty and wisdom, but a man is not at all like God in these ways? For a mere man to say, "Though I could confront it, this evil shall continue because it fits in with God's overall purpose," is towering arrogance.
The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law. Deuteronomy 29:29
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This is rather obviously inconsistent.
We're going around in circles here.
You have yet to establish that those in government are exempted from obedience to the moral law.
You keep saying that, but you have not given any support for it.
So killing kittens to please idols is fine. But what are the limits? How about polygamy? Child slavery? By what standard do you determine what is and isn't acceptable among the unbelievers who are permitted to dwell alongside us? Not the Bible, surely! Then the whim of a ruler?
It all seems more than a bit arbitrary.
Psalm 2:10-12
Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
RamistThomist
Puritanboard Clerk
O.....K
RamistThomist
Puritanboard Clerk
Bingo. What if, ala Joseph Smith, my religion teaches I can have many womens? As to child slavery, to use the old libertarian mantra, "But what if the child consents?"
TylerRay
Puritan Board Graduate
So, should the government protect and defend Satanism or not?
Steve Curtis
Puritan Board Senior
So, God respects our form of government, as an allowable exception to the mandate to worship and serve Him rightly and alone?
Prior to independence, then, were the American colonies obliged to submit to God, only to be 'liberated' from that obligation on July 4th, 1776?
RamistThomist
Puritanboard Clerk
Is it a sin for the civil magistrate to forbid a Satanist from sacrificing a cat on a pentagram and chanting, "So mote it be"?
What scriptures would you point to to support that God requires a government to uphold His law/Moral Code if not under a theonomy though?
Does God permit the abominable things such as On demand Abortion and gay weddings in this nation or not?
In our type of Government, a Republic, the final law of this land is not the scriptures, but the US Constitution. Should it be the Bible? yes, but that is not the current situation.
Gforce9
Puritan Board Junior
David,
What "law", if not God's Law, will all men be judged by on the day of judgment?
The passage refers to the time when all of the earth is under the direct reign of the Lord Jesus though.
those are both illegal acts, as per our Constitution and Supreme Court decisions. The point is that here in the US, the final arbitrator for all things done would be the Constitution, as applied and understood by the Supreme Court.
They will be judged by the Lord Jesus Himself, and again, the Law of God is not at this current time the basis for legality here in America. that is our Constitution.
Gforce9
Puritan Board Junior
That is not a proper answer to the question asked: I believe it was something like "What should the State do about heresy"? With that being the question, a good answer would be that the State should do what is right in the eyes of God. Insofar as they continue to do evil, it seems to me, is the degree of wrath each of those men/women are heaping up for themselves on the day of wrath.....
The Government should of course do what the Lord had revealed and shown to us is the right things to do, to uphold His ways, but God has not set America up as a Theonomy.
Gforce9
Puritan Board Junior
Thenomy is not required for people to do what is right. Trucking out Theonomy doesn't really deal with the ought that is required by all men....
Steve Curtis
Puritan Board Senior
Bingo! That is the right answer to the OP. The question wasn't what they do, nor what they believe the Constitution allows them to do, but what should they do.
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RamistThomist
Puritanboard Clerk
Let's say that the Constitution is amended to allow for polygamy, now what?
RamistThomist
Puritanboard Clerk
No one on this thread has advocated theonomy.
Do you understand the difference between "is" and "ought"?
Parakaleo
Puritan Board Sophomore
In case anyone is interested, I have taken the main question from this thread and created a poll. Looking forward to seeing the results!
I agree with that sentiment, but my point has always been that under our type of Government, the IS Constitution, and not the Bible, is the rule of the land.
The same answer as for Abortion and gay marriages, explain to this culture what the scripture say to the matter.
If a pastor of Jesus, do not perform any ceremonies.
What God would like to have done, and what He permits to be actually done.
RamistThomist
Puritanboard Clerk
Should we only rest content with what he permits to be done?
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