The case for unity between Presbyterians and Baptists

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October 5, 2005

I would encourage that it is always the point of the Gospel to which we come together, draw strength from one another together, fight together and if so ordained be mocked and die together. By Gospel I mean true and pure Gospel through and through, justification and sanctification.

We part ways in disagreement where we see that this is not so, that is per the Gospel or if we detect the Gospel is being obscured by another´s activity what ever it is. We dare not separate upon Law. Thus, we can pray for each other and ourselves, "œRemove my beam so that I can be and encourage my brother to the Gospel and as such aid him with is speck and he can encourage me where I am weak." If we pray this in terms of Law, then we are arrogant, raising ourselves above God and brother and sister.

E.g., without starting a baptism argument issue my prayer is that the Gospel be seen in that ordinance with increased clarity among all be they Reformed, Lutheran, Baptist or otherwise. Not, "œmake my brother see how I´m doing baptism as a Law better than he is." To avoid a debate presently that should be taken from a neutral stance, the prayer for the Gospel revelation in baptism. That way one is praying for one´s own beam to be removed and one´s brother´s speck to be removed and one ultimately convinced by the Gospel what is correct according to the Word of God. Having said that, I am the first and king of those who in the past have not done that very well. And though I´ve turned from it, I still have to fight my flesh back on such issues. That´s a hard battle for all of us.

There is not one denomination out there or each one of us individually that has not and does not struggle with works righteousness in some fashion within ourselves at least implicitly and functionally no matter how we may well structure our statement of "œJustification by faith alone in Christ alone". It is far easier to formulate that statement to be written and read and repeated than to functionally live and walk by it. E.g.s: The formerly educated and seminary student struggles with the pietism of works righteousness via knowledge and increased knowledge. The formerly uneducated struggles with the pietism of works righteousness via the practical day to day stuff. And if you don´t think you struggle with works righteousness, pietism and legalism "“ more than likely you struggle more than most.

There seems to be no end to how we can make ANYTHING a works righteousness; E.g., the Word itself, "œYou search the Scriptures and think that by them you have eternal life, but it is these that continually bear witness of Me", John 5. The Sacraments/Ordinances; obedience to an ordinance though necessary by design, does not make that same obedience the primary purpose of the ordinance. Or for e.g., a doctor says take this pill to cure your disease. You obey and are cured, but your obedience was not the primary point of taking the pill!

If we seek unity in the Gospel, that is THE Gospel, then I thoroughly believe our doctrines will become more clear to us and changes as they need will occur. The key is unity IN THE Gospel.

Blessings,

Ldh
 
Larry - very well put. The gospel is what binds us together as saints. It transcends our differences. As I have said numerous times before, I am not trivializing our theological differences. They do exist. But the gospel truth remains constant. It is not open to endless debate. We should have unity on that. If we do not, I fear our error is of epic proportions.
 
Originally posted by Scott Bushey
Originally posted by BaptistInCrisis
Originally posted by gwine
A direct command in Scripture is to "remain where you are called".

1Co 7:17 Only let each person lead the life that the Lord has assigned to him, and to which God has called him. This is my rule in all the churches.
1Co 7:18 Was anyone at the time of his call already circumcised? Let him not seek to remove the marks of circumcision. Was anyone at the time of his call uncircumcised? Let him not seek circumcision.
1Co 7:19 For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God.
1Co 7:20 Each one should remain in the condition in which he was called.
1Co 7:21 Were you a slave when called? Do not be concerned about it. But if you can gain your freedom, avail yourself of the opportunity.
1Co 7:22 For he who was called in the Lord as a slave is a freedman of the Lord. Likewise he who was free when called is a slave of Christ.
1Co 7:23 You were bought with a price; do not become slaves of men.
1Co 7:24 So, brothers, in whatever condition each was called, there let him remain with God.

Excellent! :amen:

This has absolutely nothing to do with what church you are in................I guess I should have just stayed in Calvary Chapel then, huh?

I'm totally with Scott here. There is a huge difference between co-operation for the gospel and respect and charity and abandoning Biblical principles in the name of organizational unity.

I love Phillip Way and would strap on my armor with him any day, but I would not join his church, nor expect him to join mine.
 
Originally posted by pastorway
but you could join mine since we do not require baptism for membership.

;)

Hey - I'm an easy Presbyterian - I was baptized in an SBC church 12 years ago. ;) ;)

[Edited on 10/5/2005 by fredtgreco]
 
Yes,

I would agree too with Scott and Fred and Phillip, I didn't mean to imply that one stays put but rather should move when one is convinced of a doctrinal shift to be scriptural. I should have made that more clear.

"remain where you are called" pertains to ones calling or vocation in life. In short if I'm called by the Gospel as a geologist, married and so forth - I don't have to abandone THAT calling now that I'm in the faith for some perceived "higher" calling (monkery) and works again. Rather work in that faith in that calling to the glory of God. Too many "celebraties" and in circles here in the south laymen think suddenly they are called into the "ministry" at the point of conversion. This causes a lot of damage to those not gifted and prepared for full time ministry (e.g. preaching).

Who else is going to feed and clothe and shelter my children, your children and so forth? Are children not the poor in the very sense of the word poor?

ldh
 
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