Argument against Exclusive Psalmody from the Psalms

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In lieu of liking each here with informative and edifying emojis, imagine I am now just eating popcorn here at this point.

Just joking.

I am reading links and trying very hard to fight the instinct to argue when discussions like these on Col. 3; Eph. 5; 1 Cor. 14. and the connection of hymns to lame and sick offerings in defiance to God (!!) is practically unheard of in my everyday life. I have always been a layman in hostile work environments where the crux of the Gospel needed to be ever in my devotions so I would not fall into darkness. This site has opened my eyes to theological debates I never imagined.
 
On the IP view, he did, in 1 Cor 14:26: What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. (1 Cor. 14:26 ESV). These are a list of things that the Corinthians are contributing to the worship service: in what sense could they "have a psalm"?
In the context of course Paul is condemning not approving this (edited as condemning is too strong a word, but he is saying it's not to edification).
 
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Sorry, I know this was in response to Logan, but had to jump in (where I shouldn't likley) to say they taught and admonished one another with the whole OT... your premise in your third sentence is one I've never heard before. Doesn't your thinking seem dispensational to you?
I'm not sure how you are getting "dispensational" from that comment. Can you elaborate more?
 
Since the content of the "hymn" is not identified, we can only presume they sang a psalm, not prove it was a psalm. Was it likely they sang a Psalm? Sure. But even if it were true, there's still no command to sing Psalms exclusively.

I love singing the Psalms, and lead my own congregation to do so every Sunday. But we can't make the Bible say what it doesn't say. It doesn't say "Book of Psalms only", but "teach and admonish" with songs, songs that teach the fuller revelation of "the word" to our people. To limit that singing only to the book of Psalms unnecessarily limits your ability to teach the Word because it restricts from our praise the more explicit vocabulary and concepts revealed later in the NT about our God and our salvation. Paul did not make such limitations in preaching, and there's no indication he did so with singing either.

And just to clarify for the rest of those on this thread, denying EP does not mean you are advocating for the use normative principle of worship. We are arguing that the regulative principle requires singing songs that teach the Word and help it dwell in us richly, not singing the Book of Psalms only. The difference is not over the regulative principle of worship, but about what it actually commands. There is no explicit command for exclusive psalmody, and I do not see how we can arrive at it by good and necessary consequence in the text of the NT. That's why I gave up the EP position years ago, after vigorously arguing for it (as my early posts on the Board will show). Once I better understood both Greek and the regulative principle of worship, I couldn't in good conscience bind my congregation to exclusive psalmody. There's just no command for it and God's people lose the use of beautiful songs that rightly expound the word of truth if we follow EP.

This line of argumentation needs some clarification. As far as I can tell, no Exclusive Psalmist would posit that scripture forbids other songs or commands exclusive psalmody explicitly, rather we are commanded to sing the psalms and have no command to sing anything else. So to hold an EP person to the standard of "where does the bible command exclusive psalmody" is in fact conceding the argument (so long as the RPW is taken for granted).

Both sides believe we are to sing psalms. For hymns to be allowed, it must be proven that we must sing uninspired compositions of men and that its not merely an inference, but a necessary conclusion of the new testament text. The exclusive part of exclusive psalmody is merely stating that we believe psalms are commanded, and we see no where else where it is necessary for other compositions, particularly uninspired compositions, to be introduced.
 
I'm not sure how you are getting "dispensational" from that comment. Can you elaborate more?
Dispensational is likely imprecise and I'm not saying at all that you're dispensational. I'm referring though to the thinking that the OT is not enough for our singing. I am sure there's another way to say it. Many are saying we need content in our singing that can only be found in the NT.
 
I am reading links and trying very hard to fight the instinct to argue when discussions like these on Col. 3; Eph. 5; 1 Cor. 14. and the connection of hymns to lame and sick offerings in defiance to God (!!) is practically unheard of in my everyday life.

I understand it can seem shocking. For me the progression in thinking on this one point was relatively simple:
If I sing psalms and hymns, is one better than the other? Clearly I would not elevate the best hymn over any of the psalms. They are in two entirely different categories of inspired and uninspired, without error and possible to have error.

So when I choose to offer a hymn instead of a psalm, am I truly offering the best? Why am I choosing the uninspired over the inspired? Is it for God, or is it for me? I understand that is not a complete line of thought but it convicted me.

There is probably good reason that psalmody was the norm for centuries among the Reformed. The incorporation of hymns is fairly recent.
 
We must judge hymns in their content (theological, historical, etc.), contextually as to their author (unrepentant scandalous lives, e.g. It is well with my soul, have they redefined terms?, etc.), because we are putting into the mouths of the people of God the content of praise. While we will give an account for not singing the Psalms with understanding, or with our hearts, we will not be charged for any false content. Hymns are adjudged of us, but the Psalms judge us, encouraging, and convicting unto salutary ends, by God’s design.

The preacher will give an account for the fluff and lies he puts into his sermons and/or prayers. He calls the congregation to the service of the LORD. May he require of them something God has not, the words of mere men, binding their consciences simply to accept the words of uninspired composition? Our corporate Amens may be withheld if the preacher is unclear or speaks amiss, but our praise cannot be withheld, because these praises are the commanded sacrificial calves our lips, and the LORD will be sanctified by those who would draw nigh unto Him. There is no shortage of what God has required of us in worship in the Psalter. It is not about what we get or don’t get to do (saying the literal name Jesus). It is, instead, what the LORD has ordered, and what has the LORD required of us?

“Shall [we] come before the LORD, and bow [ourselves unbidden] before the high God? … or come before him with burnt offerings, with calves of a year old?

“Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall [we] give [our] firstborn for [our] transgression, the fruit of [our] body for the sin of [our] soul?

“He hath shewed [us,] O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of [us], but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with [our] God?”

We have our marching orders, and need not to improve upon them, especially for our own tastes, “whether invented and taken up of ourselves, or received by tradition from others, though under the title of antiquity, custom, devotion, good intent, or any other pretence whatsoever,” (LC 109).
 
If I sing psalms and hymns, is one better than the other? Clearly I would not elevate the best hymn over any of the psalms.

Nor would I. I would not elevate Newton's "Amazing Grace" over any Psalm - just as I would not elevate Edwards' "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" over the Sermon on the Mount or Acts 2.

It was the equivocation to singing "Amazing Grace" to defiantly offering strange fire in the Tabernacle or idols in the Temple that I am wrapping my head around.

Don't worry - I am keeping emotions out of it as much as I can and reading the Biblical case regardless of implications.
 
It was the equivocation to singing "Amazing Grace" to defiantly offering strange fire in the Tabernacle or idols in the Temple

One minor correction here: it doesn't even have to be defiant. It can be truly and honestly sincere. I don't know what attitude Nadab and Abihu had, but the text merely tells us it was egregious because it was something God had not commanded.
 
Nor would I. I would not elevate Newton's "Amazing Grace" over any Psalm - just as I would not elevate Edwards' "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" over the Sermon on the Mount or Acts 2.

It was the equivocation to singing "Amazing Grace" to defiantly offering strange fire in the Tabernacle or idols in the Temple that I am wrapping my head around.

Don't worry - I am keeping emotions out of it as much as I can and reading the Biblical case regardless of implications.

Try thinking about it a little bit differently. A minister is to bring a word in season as it were to his congregation and has the Spirit's promised blessing that it will bless when received by his parishioners in faith. Does that same promise apply to a sermon of Spurgeon when read on a Tuesday morning by us? The objective content of a sermon by Spurgeon may be more moving, articulate, and erudite than that of your minister. It may be than all of our ministers' sermons, but it is not the means by which the gospel primarily comes. It comes by preaching.

So in a similar (albeit quite different) way, we can say with a hearty amen and much trepidation that a faithful minister's opening up of the sermon on the mount is more honoring to God than merely reading the sermon on the mount, because a minister is called to preach the word, not merely to read it.

And a note about defiance. All of our worship must be mediated by Christ. The hymn-singer and psalm-singer alike. That isn't to minimize what I perceive to be the error in singing man-made hymns, but it is to reiterate the fact that without the active obedience and continual intercession of Christ, all of our worship - psalm singing included - is as filthy rags. So I can give my hearty thankfulness to God that someone has been born again and is singing with a joyful heart to God, even if I believe what they are singing is sinful. And I have no problem gently correcting such a practice. However, there is a rather large difference between defiantly offering strange fire and doing it unwittingly - howbeit unwitting sin is still sin.
 
This raises a question, at what extent do many EPs view hymns in corporate worship? It’s been established that those in these latest threads view it as sinful, is that the predominant view? Also do you believe that God rejects it outright, or do you hold that it is error but God still accepts it somehow?

Think about this for a moment, many view grape juice as incorrect but will not go so far as to say God rejects it and thus such Lord’s Suppers are not a means of grace. Where do you draw the line so far as is the worship even acceptable, and if not is it even a true visible church?

I’m curious to see just how far some view this in the name of consistency.
 
Just a minor note on Leviticus 10. Those of us who hold strongly to the regulative principle quote this text quite often and rightly so. It is an excellent text showing the seriousness with which God takes his own worship. This does not mean that anytime this text is quoted in a context like this that we are saying whatever element of worship that we disagree about is equivalent to Nadab and Abihu's sin. So its necessary to not get unduly offended when this text is brought up.

On the other hand, the Word of God is powerful and sharp and if you are not convinced that God commands a practice, it is the Spirit convicting you that you ought to continue it no longer.
 
This raises a question, at what extent do many EPs view hymns in corporate worship? It’s been established that those in these latest threads view it as sinful, is that the predominant view? Also do you believe that God rejects it outright, or do you hold that it is error but God still accepts it somehow?

Think about this for a moment, many view grape juice as incorrect but will not go so far as to say God rejects it and thus such Lord’s Suppers are not a means of grace. Where do you draw the line so far as is the worship even acceptable, and if not is it even a true visible church?

I’m curious to see just how far some view this in the name of consistency.

That hymns are sinful as acts of worship is the necessary consequence of exclusive psalmody. The externals may be sinful, but God is gracious and Christ mediates for us. None of our worship is perfectly pure, and the moment we act like it is we lose the gospel of Christ.
 
That hymns are sinful as acts of worship is the necessary consequence of exclusive psalmody. The externals may be sinful, but God is gracious and Christ mediates for us. None of our worship is perfectly pure, and the moment we act like it is we lose the gospel of Christ.
You’re correct in that Christ mediates for us. I do have an additional question this time in regard to ecclesiology, if it is by necessity sin, how can a presbytery such as the OPC or PCA allow churches with differing opinion?
 
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Dispensational is likely imprecise and I'm not saying at all that you're dispensational. I'm referring though to the thinking that the OT is not enough for our singing. I am sure there's another way to say it. Many are saying we need content in our singing that can only be found in the NT.
Was the OT enough for Paul's preaching? Or did he preach from the additional revelation that came in NT times as well? I'm sure you would agree that the content he taught went beyond OT revelation. Now, apply it to his same commands regarding singing. Paul himself makes that parallel instruction, using the same words to describe the purpose of singing. To say the OT is not enough is not to fault the OT. It's just acknowledging it's redemptive historical purpose and limitations. The OT itself taught that more revelation was coming and needed. It was incomplete. It didn't say everything that needed to be said regarding God, Jesus, and our salvation. That is not dispensational, that is simply acknowledging what the Bible says about itself.

Paul taught this in Col. 1:25-28 "I became a minister according to the stewardship from God that was given to me for you, to make the word of God fully known, 26 the mystery hidden for ages and generations but now revealed to his saints. 27 To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. 28 Him we proclaim, warning everyone and teaching everyone with all wisdom, that we may present everyone mature in Christ."

I think we can agree Paul is not being dispensational in saying that he is "making the word fully known" or acknowledging the "mystery hidden for ages... but now revealed". Paul calls that broader revelation of Christ "the word", which he is now "warning/admonishing" and "teaching" through his preaching. Then in ch. 3, Paul commanded that same "word of Christ" to be "taught and admonished" through songs. If the Book of Psalms were intended, all he would have to say is "book of Psalms", like it was normally done whenever that book was being directly referenced. But his use of the vocabulary to "teach and admonish" the "word" is grounded in his broader understanding of the revelation of Christ. The OT is not enough for our singing, just as it's not enough for our preaching. We have a fuller message to teach one another through preaching and singing. Exclusive Psalmody just doesn't fit with the broader categories Paul is using in the context of his preaching and word usage, or in the context of his formerly pagan audience. It's a foreign idea being read back into the text. Did he have in mind some Psalms? Certainly. Did he have in mind Psalms only? I don't see how that could possibly fit his broader argument, word usage, or context, when it would have been so easy for him to say that.
 
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You’re in correct in that Christ mediates for us. I do have an additional question this time in regard to ecclesiology, if it is by necessity sin, how can a presbytery such as the OPC or PCA allow churches with differing opinion?

I don't believe there is a single EP PCA church - could be wrong. There are less than a one hand count in the OPC.

But one must differentiate public doctrine and all sin. Presbyteries shouldn't be in the practice of dictating everything, so your premise is misguided. That being said, I do thing song in worship is most certainly something that should be uniform in a presbytery - I am in the PRC after all ;).
 
I don't believe there is a single EP PCA church - could be wrong. There are less than a one hand count in the OPC.

But one must differentiate public doctrine and all sin. Presbyteries shouldn't be in the practice of dictating everything, so your premise is misguided. That being said, I do thing song in worship is most certainly something that should be uniform in a presbytery - I am in the PRC after all ;).
I’m a Baptist so I view church government differently of course, but I would think that a presbytery would have to take a hard line, as those who hold to this doctrine do not view it as a matter of indifference. If it is sin, than their church government would have to not allow it. That is after all why us Baptists are in our own churches rather than Presbyterian ones. Well, the main reason at least.

Are all of the EP folks here in these latest threads in denominations that are EP as well?
 
Sorry for the late reply. But it addresses Logan's later post too.
Since the content of the "hymn" is not identified, we can only presume they sang a psalm, not prove it was a psalm. Was it likely they sang a Psalm? Sure. But even if it were true, there's still no command to sing Psalms exclusively.


Again, you are assuming the point that needs to proven. While it might be unthinkable to someone who already holds to EP that Christ would sing anything else, the text itself doesn't say that. In the scenes of heaven in Isaiah and Revelation, they are not singing Psalms. And why wouldn't Christ sing the Doxology? Or the Gloria Patri? Aren't those praises just as biblically true as a Psalm? If they accurately teach and admonish the inspired Word, what possible objection would Jesus have to singing them? In Reformed theology, we understand the preaching of the Word to be “the Word” when preached accurately. Why would the same principle not be true in singing an exposition of the Word? What evidence is there that Paul meant something different when referring to “teaching and admonition” through preaching vs. singing?



The headings in the LXX still don't prove EP. For the sake of argument, let's grant that Paul is saying to teach and admonish through the instrument of songs. What other vocabulary words would he use to describe these other songs other the words "psalms", "hymns." or "spiritual songs"? The EP argument is again assuming what needs to be proven. Paul himself did not restrict these terms to the Book of Psalms. Again, Paul knew how to say "Book of Psalms" or "The Psalms". That vocabulary was standard usage in the apostle's day as evidenced throughout the NT. Paul quoted from "the Psalms" often when quoting Scripture. But he didn't use it in the specific context of instructing Gentiles how or what to sing, Gentiles who came from a background of pagan hymnody. That consideration needs to be given due weight.



This is a key misinterpretation used in the EP argument. "Spiritual" does not mean "inspired". "Inspired" is a different Greek word. In context, in both Colossians and Ephesians, Paul is contrasting life in Christ vs. the earthly or fleshly life outside of Christ. These songs that expound "the word of Christ" are characteristic of our new spiritual life in Christ, and constantly drill that "Word of Christ" deeper into our hearts. Songs that praise Christ are "spiritual" because they teach and admonish the Word to God's people, and don't teach something else. They reinforce our life in the Spirit. There is no command anywhere to sing only "inspired songs". That is a category mistake, (just like the earlier misuse in this thread of the doctrine of "sufficiency"), applying the doctrine of inspiration in a way the Bible itself does not do.

Again, there is nothing in the context to indicate that Paul is commanding only the Book of Psalms to be used. The grammar of the passage indicates he is commanding the use of songs as a method of "teaching and admonishing" the word of Christ with "wisdom", the exact same vocabulary used to describe the act of preaching Christ earlier. Will the Psalms do that? Sure. But Paul did not limit teaching possibilities to the Book of Psalms only, nor did anyone else in the NT. Further, when Paul uses that term "the word" in both Colossians and Ephesians, he used it in reference to the fuller revelation of Christ made in the NT (Col. 1;5, 1:25, 4:3, Eph 1;13, 5:26). He had a bigger source of revelation in mind than just the book of Psalms or even the OT. There's no indication in the text anywhere that he has somehow narrowed down his concept of "the word" to "the Book of Psalms" when it comes to singing. Obviously they did sing Psalms a lot because it was already available, but there is no restriction given on what it means to teach with songs in the NT other than that they wisely teach the Word.

I love singing the Psalms, and lead my own congregation to do so every Sunday. But we can't make the Bible say what it doesn't say. It doesn't say "Book of Psalms only", but "teach and admonish" with songs, songs that teach the fuller revelation of "the word" to our people. To limit that singing only to the book of Psalms unnecessarily limits your ability to teach the Word because it restricts from our praise the more explicit vocabulary and concepts revealed later in the NT about our God and our salvation. Paul did not make such limitations in preaching, and there's no indication he did so with singing either.

And just to clarify for the rest of those on this thread, denying EP does not mean you are advocating for the use normative principle of worship. We are arguing that the regulative principle requires singing songs that teach the Word and help it dwell in us richly, not singing the Book of Psalms only. The difference is not over the regulative principle of worship, but about what it actually commands. There is no explicit command for exclusive psalmody, and I do not see how we can arrive at it by good and necessary consequence in the text of the NT. That's why I gave up the EP position years ago, after vigorously arguing for it (as my early posts on the Board will show). Once I better understood both Greek and the regulative principle of worship, I couldn't in good conscience bind my congregation to exclusive psalmody. There's just no command for it and God's people lose the use of beautiful songs that rightly expound the word of truth if we follow EP.

Another two cents...
Patrick, I just want to say thank you for contributing too this thread. I appreciate you taking the time to be detailed here recently. Your post have been helpful for me as I still wrestle with EP.
 
I’m a Baptist so I view church government differently of course, but I would think that a presbytery would have to take a hard line, as those who hold to this doctrine do not view it as a matter of indifference. If it is sin, than their church government would have to not allow it. That is after all why us Baptists are in our own churches rather than Presbyterian ones. Well, the main reason at least.

Are all of the EP folks here in these latest threads in denominations that are EP as well?

I agree a presbytery ought to have a position on this particular issue, but not necessarily on every issue.
 
Was the OT enough for Paul's preaching? Or did he preach from the additional revelation that came in NT times as well? I'm sure you would agree that the content he taught went beyond OT revelation. Now, apply it to his same commands regarding singing. Paul himself makes that parallel instruction, using the same words to describe the purpose of singing. To say the OT is not enough is not to fault the OT. It's just acknowledging it's redemptive historical purpose and limitations. The OT itself taught that more revelation was coming and needed. It was incomplete. It didn't say everything that needed to be said regarding God, Jesus, and our salvation. That is not dispensational, that is simply acknowledging what the Bible says about itself.

Paul taught this in Col. 1:25-28 "I became a minister according to the stewardship from God that was given to me for you, to make the word of God fully known, 26 the mystery hidden for ages and generations but now revealed to his saints. 27 To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. 28 Him we proclaim, warning everyone and teaching everyone with all wisdom, that we may present everyone mature in Christ."

I think we can agree Paul is not being dispensational in saying that he is "making the word fully known" or acknowledging the "mystery hidden for ages... but now revealed". Paul calls that broader revelation of Christ "the word", which he is now "warning/admonishing" and "teaching" through his preaching. Then in ch. 3, Paul commanded that same "word of Christ" to be "taught and admonished" through songs. If the Book of Psalms were intended, all he would have to say is "book of Psalms", like it was normally done whenever that book was being directly referenced. But his use of the vocabulary to "teach and admonish" the "word" is grounded in his broader understanding of the revelation of Christ. The OT is not enough for our singing, just as it's not enough for our preaching. We have a fuller message to teach one another through preaching and singing. Exclusive Psalmody just doesn't fit with the broader categories Paul is using in the context of his preaching and word usage, or in the context of his formerly pagan audience. It's a foreign idea being read back into the text. Did he have in mind some Psalms? Certainly. Did he have in mind Psalms only? I don't see how that could possibly fit his broader argument, word usage, or context, when it would have been so easy for him to say that.

Certainly the Old Testament is incomplete when taken largely and while being sufficient for the time, would be insufficient for the New Testament Christian. However, it borders on confusing history with theology to posit that all NT content goes beyond OT content. Its a sort of Vossian spin on Chronological Snobbery. Where do we go to learn most of Christ's sufferings? Psalm 22 and Isa. 53. I think anyone would be incredibly hard pressed to say that any man-made hymn can come even close to the depth of soul sufferings that we sing of in Psalm 22. And what better way to sing of Christ's sufferings than to sing with Christ in his sufferings?

Of course we sing these psalms with greater understanding than that of the OT saint. That is the great joy of singing the psalms as a Christian - we see the depth of them far more than even David would have.

As for the argument surrounding Col. 3. I'm not one to play the speculative game, but I do wonder how else Paul would communicate the gravity of the content which we sing if not for the "word of Christ". It's far more of a stretch to me to conclude that the word of Christ must encompass an uninspired sinful man's words than the sweet psalmist of Israel's inspired words.
 
Are all of the EP folks here in these latest threads in denominations that are EP as well?
My church is PCA and does not exclusively sing the psalms, though it is something like 70/30 psalms to hymns. There are other issues with typical reformed liturgies imposed in presbyterian churches since the late 19th century defection from the simple order of worship in the Westminster Directory for Public Worship (1645). In addition to the hymns I also do not say creeds, participate in unison or responsal readings, etc. I'm told in a minority of OPC churches they take an extreme view and say I would be in sin for not doing anything the session sees fit to clear for use in worship, and I would be subject to discipline (or simply not allowed to join if seeking membership), but in threads here our OPC expert has said that is a misunderstanding of the membership vow. Be that as it may, I'm thankful my PCA church elders have no such understanding.
 
My church is PCA and does not exclusively sing the psalms, though it is something like 70/30 psalms to hymns. There are other issues with typical reformed liturgies imposed in presbyterian churches since the late 19th century defection from the simple order of worship in the Westminster Directory for Public Worship (1645). In addition to the hymns I also do not say creeds, participate in unison or responsal readings, etc. I'm told in a minority of OPC churches they take an extreme view and say I would be in sin for not doing anything the session sees fit to clear for use in worship, and I would be subject to discipline (or simply not allowed to join if seeking membership), but in threads here our OPC expert has said that is a misunderstanding of the membership vow. Be that as it may, I'm thankful my PCA church elders have no such understanding.
One reason I had to leave my old PCA congregation is the minister threatened me with church discipline if I did not sing the hymns. But to be fair, my understanding is that very few men would go that far. But he did.
 
My church is PCA and does not exclusively sing the psalms, though it is something like 70/30 psalms to hymns. There are other issues with typical reformed liturgies imposed in presbyterian churches since the late 19th century defection from the simple order of worship in the Westminster Directory for Public Worship (1645). In addition to the hymns I also do not say creeds, participate in unison or responsal readings, etc. I'm told in a minority of OPC churches they take an extreme view and say I would be in sin for not doing anything the session sees fit to clear for use in worship, and I would be subject to discipline (or simply not allowed to join if seeking membership), but in threads here our OPC expert has said that is a misunderstanding of the membership vow. Be that as it may, I'm thankful my PCA church elders have no such understanding.
Though I disagree with your doctrine on this, I do sympathize with the position that you are in. Before joining my Reformed Baptist church I belonged to a community church and there were several things during worship that I couldn’t/ would not participate in.
 
One reason I had to leave my old PCA congregation is the minister threatened me with church discipline if I did not sing the hymns. But to be fair, my understanding is that very few men would go that far. But he did.
Though I disagree with your doctrine on this, I do sympathize with the position that you are in. Before joining my Reformed Baptist church I belonged to a community church and there were several things during worship that I couldn’t/ would not participate in.
Full disclosure; I was not an unknown quantity; my late sister's husband was pastor at the time and still is (looking for his replacement now so he can retire) and I made clear I was not going to rock the boat on any issues I had. My mother was still alive at the time and as her caregiver, this was the best move.
 
Full disclosure; I was not an unknown quantity; my late sister's husband was pastor at the time and still is (looking for his replacement now so he can retire) and I made clear I was not going to rock the boat on any issues I had. My mother was still alive at the time and as her caregiver, this was the best move.
Understood, and as an aside so many reformed churches are looking for new pastors as current ones are approaching or even well past retirement age. Particularly in RB circles. Let us pray for second generational growth, or in your case simply for a new godly pastor to take the reigns.
 
One reason I had to leave my old PCA congregation is the minister threatened me with church discipline if I did not sing the hymns. But to be fair, my understanding is that very few men would go that far. But he did.

1) I may not be EP but EP is in no way in error to the point of discipline. That minister was wrong period.

2) I recognize you. I first discovered your ministry on Youtube on a channel called Christian Sermons and Audiobooks - an excellent resource of old Puritan sermons and writings narrated by the team behind it as well as some contemporary preachers. You just preached on loving our enemies in Luke 6 (or they just got around to posting it). The channel itself is definitely not EP hahaha.

It is great to meet you, brother.
 
To also add (I have formerly read, but forgot to share), Dickson also acknowledged the Psalms spoken of in chapter 21 of the WCF to be that "which is a part of Scripture", and no generic term for songs.

"Because by singing of psalms we glorify God, we make his praise glorious: we edify others with whom we sing as well as we edify ourselves. So the end to be proposed in singing, is teaching and admonishing one another, in psalms, and hymns, and spiritual songs, Col. 3.16. Lastly, We cheer and refresh ourselves by making melody in our hearts to the Lord, Eph. 5.19. Which ariseth, first, from our conscientious going about it as a piece of the worship to God, and in so doing we are accepted in that. Secondly, From its being a part of Scripture, appointed for his praise, whether it agree with our case or not. That being the end wherefore it was designed to be sung, is a sufficient warrant for our joining in the singing thereof."

To add significance, Dickson was (to my knowledge) a member of the Westminster Assembly, and is one of the earliest expositions we have on the Westminster Confession. If that doesn't give clarity on what the Westminster divines meant by Psalms, I don't know what does.
I didn't think Dickson was a member of the Assembly (haven't been able to confirm that). But more importantly, what source are you quoting from per these quotes please? Don't recall them in Truth's Victory Over Error and curious where he wrote this (I might just not have noted it from TVOE at the time of reading but surprised I didn't quote if that's where your quotes are from). Thanks.
 
1) I may not be EP but EP is in no way in error to the point of discipline. That minister was wrong period.

2) I recognize you. I first discovered your ministry on Youtube on a channel called Christian Sermons and Audiobooks - an excellent resource of old Puritan sermons and writings narrated by the team behind it as well as some contemporary preachers. You just preached on loving our enemies in Luke 6 (or they just got around to posting it). The channel itself is definitely not EP hahaha.

It is great to meet you, brother.

Thanks, brother. It is good to meet you virtually! I have a good relationship (I believe!) with my non-EP brethren. The brother that runs this channel reached out to me last year and asked if he could feature some of my sermons, I was astonished that he would think to do so. Several of the men that he features on the channel are EP: Kenneth Stewart (RPCS), William Macleod (FCC), and Mark Fitzpatrick (Reformed Baptist). The brother who runs it is not EP though, but we have struck up what I believe is a genuine Christ-centered friendship over a variety of matters over the year.
 
Certainly the Old Testament is incomplete when taken largely and while being sufficient for the time, would be insufficient for the New Testament Christian. However, it borders on confusing history with theology to posit that all NT content goes beyond OT content. Its a sort of Vossian spin on Chronological Snobbery. Where do we go to learn most of Christ's sufferings? Psalm 22 and Isa. 53. I think anyone would be incredibly hard pressed to say that any man-made hymn can come even close to the depth of soul sufferings that we sing of in Psalm 22. And what better way to sing of Christ's sufferings than to sing with Christ in his sufferings? Of course we sing these psalms with greater understanding than that of the OT saint. That is the great joy of singing the psalms as a Christian - we see the depth of them far more than even David would have.
The usefulness of the Psalms in explaining some aspects of Christ's suffering, and the greater clarity the NT provides about the Psalms, is not in dispute. here. Where does the Bible command their exclusive use? The command is what the RPW requires.

As for the argument surrounding Col. 3. I'm not one to play the speculative game, but I do wonder how else Paul would communicate the gravity of the content which we sing if not for the "word of Christ". It's far more of a stretch to me to conclude that the word of Christ must encompass an uninspired sinful man's words than the sweet psalmist of Israel's inspired words.

Then you would also have to object to a sinful man's uninspired attempts at preaching "the word", and confine yourself to only reading the texts of inspired Scripture. We know that is not a correct conclusion because we understand what Paul meant by "teaching and admonishing" in reference to his preaching. We understand that preaching requires further explanation of "the word" that we have received from Christ both in the OT and the NT. So how does the definition somehow change when Paul uses the same words to describe teaching "the word" with songs? I don't deny it's possible to do that. But there must be some indication in the text to tell us Paul has somehow shifted and narrowed the meaning of "teach and admonish" when it comes to using songs (perhaps by saying "Book of Psalms" or "inspired songs"). What is more speculative? To understand Paul as commanding the use of songs as a means of teaching the Word, like preaching? Or to speculate that he means teaching only with "the Book of Psalms" or "inspired songs" without any contextual evidence that he is using those extra categories which EP imposes on the text?
 
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