Matthew1034
Puritan Board Freshman
Haven't referred the the confessions yet, but wanted to post the topic before I go to sleep.
Basically I am wondering how the following verses fit together:
In Romans 8 Paul is referring to our resurrected bodies, the adoption, our redemption from corruption... we obviously do not have them now so we cannot see them and we thus hope for them.
In Romans 13:11, is Paul referring to our regenerated spirits being "awake" from their previous darkness/sleep? Or by "waking up" does he mean, as in ch. 8, the resurrection of our bodies? By the second part of the verse it seems that he means the latter, as if the resurrection is closer to us now than when we first believed.
Maybe verse 12-13a make it clearer,
that the salvation in v.11 is the sun rising, our sleep was in the night far gone, and where we are now is just before dawn when the day is at hand/near, and we should walk as we would in the daytime. But then again, "that the hour has come for you to wake from sleep" implies "you" are still asleep. Any ideas on this specifically (although somewhat off-topic)?
In 1 Jn. 5:13, John is absolutely clear that those who believe have eternal life.
So my question, then, is.. do we have salvation now? or is it in the future? Isn't eternal life salvation? If we have eternal life now how can we hope for it? If we have salvation now how can we wait for it? How can we have eternal life and not salvation?
Basically I am wondering how the following verses fit together:
Romans 8:24,25 "For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience."
Romans 13:11 "Besides this you know the time, that the hour has come for you to wake from sleep. For salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed."
1 John 5:13 "I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life."
In Romans 8 Paul is referring to our resurrected bodies, the adoption, our redemption from corruption... we obviously do not have them now so we cannot see them and we thus hope for them.
In Romans 13:11, is Paul referring to our regenerated spirits being "awake" from their previous darkness/sleep? Or by "waking up" does he mean, as in ch. 8, the resurrection of our bodies? By the second part of the verse it seems that he means the latter, as if the resurrection is closer to us now than when we first believed.
Maybe verse 12-13a make it clearer,
The night is far gone; the day is at hand. So then let us cast off the works of darkness and put on the armor of light.13 Let us walk properly as in the daytime,
that the salvation in v.11 is the sun rising, our sleep was in the night far gone, and where we are now is just before dawn when the day is at hand/near, and we should walk as we would in the daytime. But then again, "that the hour has come for you to wake from sleep" implies "you" are still asleep. Any ideas on this specifically (although somewhat off-topic)?
In 1 Jn. 5:13, John is absolutely clear that those who believe have eternal life.
So my question, then, is.. do we have salvation now? or is it in the future? Isn't eternal life salvation? If we have eternal life now how can we hope for it? If we have salvation now how can we wait for it? How can we have eternal life and not salvation?
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