puriteen18
Puritan Board Freshman
I haven't been able to do any posting in a while on the PB because alot of time has been spent refuting lies against the faith on another board (And being a student there is [i:656a03108e]a little[/i:656a03108e] time spent on work) , but I felt that I had to ask what I should do with this.
Here's the thing: I am taking World Civ for my history credit. Last semster we went up to 1500. This sememster we started with 1500, and you know what that means: the Reformamtion.
Up untill today we have studied the problems in the Roman Church, the idea of the 'Common Devotion', and the last week and a half have all been about Luther (which according to my teacher, was a fat, drunken, cursing German peasant.)
Today we started in on what I have been dreading: Calvin.
I had read the chapter on the Calvinist Reformation and had pointed out all the errors. I had my little (and unfortunately abridged) paperback of the Institutes. Pages were marked, sentences were underlined. I was ready for any lie that the professor might pull out.
However, to my surprize he didn't teach anything out of the history book. He explained the Reformed view of original sin, depravity, election. predestination, good works, sabbath, private and public worship, and he actually got them all correct.
I felt relieved, but then it came. He said that while Calvin himself was reasonable, in that he taught there was no way to know if someone was saved, his followers desired to find out who was the elect.
He listed some qualifications that he said they came up with. Here are the ones that bothered me:
Had to be white. (and he joked, "just like Jesus" )
Material Prosperity.
While, I could have defended almost anything of error he might have said about Calvin's teaching I could not refute what he said of the followers.
I had no historical evidence to disprove his claims.
The Reformed faith was credited with racism, the American obsesion with wealth, and in the end was likened unto Islamic terrorism.
I know that surly these are not the truth, maybe magnified singular incidents, but this is not the faith of the Hugenots, Puritans, and the Dutch Calvinists.
Could any of you history buffs out there help me here? Please.
Should I speak out at all (it is an open dissusion class) or should I just let him say what he will?
Help.
Here's the thing: I am taking World Civ for my history credit. Last semster we went up to 1500. This sememster we started with 1500, and you know what that means: the Reformamtion.
Up untill today we have studied the problems in the Roman Church, the idea of the 'Common Devotion', and the last week and a half have all been about Luther (which according to my teacher, was a fat, drunken, cursing German peasant.)
Today we started in on what I have been dreading: Calvin.
I had read the chapter on the Calvinist Reformation and had pointed out all the errors. I had my little (and unfortunately abridged) paperback of the Institutes. Pages were marked, sentences were underlined. I was ready for any lie that the professor might pull out.
However, to my surprize he didn't teach anything out of the history book. He explained the Reformed view of original sin, depravity, election. predestination, good works, sabbath, private and public worship, and he actually got them all correct.
I felt relieved, but then it came. He said that while Calvin himself was reasonable, in that he taught there was no way to know if someone was saved, his followers desired to find out who was the elect.
He listed some qualifications that he said they came up with. Here are the ones that bothered me:
Had to be white. (and he joked, "just like Jesus" )
Material Prosperity.
While, I could have defended almost anything of error he might have said about Calvin's teaching I could not refute what he said of the followers.
I had no historical evidence to disprove his claims.
The Reformed faith was credited with racism, the American obsesion with wealth, and in the end was likened unto Islamic terrorism.
I know that surly these are not the truth, maybe magnified singular incidents, but this is not the faith of the Hugenots, Puritans, and the Dutch Calvinists.
Could any of you history buffs out there help me here? Please.
Should I speak out at all (it is an open dissusion class) or should I just let him say what he will?
Help.