Acts 2 and Col 2:12

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I have been trying to learn more about the paedo-baptist position on baptism over the past months. I have specific questions on 2 key passages that I'd like to get paedo-baptist responses to:
1. In Acts 2, how do you understand/explain the phrase in verse 38, "Repent and each one of you be baptized.... Also, in verse 41, "So then, those who had received his word were baptized."

2. In Col. 2:12, what does Paul mean by saying that they were also, "raised up with Him through faith?" In other words, in your view, how would the "through faith" apply to an infant's baptism?

Thanks in advance for your helpful input.
 
A paedo-baptist does not say you should ONLY baptize infants. When an adult professes faith for the first time, he is baptized. So Acts 2 doesn't seem problematic at all to me.

I'm not much of a blogger. I'm either too busy or don't have enough to say (or both) to keep doing it. But one of the few things I did blog was a discussion of Col. 2 and baptism. Here's a link. I think the last point about the true baptism being Christ's baptism is the crucial point that is missed in Paedo-Credo debates. Hope it helps.
 
Echoing Clark's statements, I do not find the Acts passage at all troubling, even supposing that "those who received his Word" may only be confirmed as adult, male listeners in the audience. They would have been predominant, given the setting, however I do not assume that no women (for example) were among the number converted.

And, because we interpret the text contextually (as do baptists :) ), we wouldn't want to exclude v39-40, one which verse appropriates the language of the covenant of Grace as first given, Gen.17. So, we ask how those first hearers/ believers/ baptized would have understood Peter's promissory language?

As for Col.2:12:
We don't make the assumption that for a valid baptism, faith must be present at the time of the baptism or else the person wasn't baptized. Faith is absolutely necessary for a baptism to be "efficacious," meaning that the sign be accompanied by the thing signified. Faith is allowed to come afterward, but when/if it is present, then the sign teaches unto faith the gospel it proclaims.

All this to say, that baptism is only complete when faith believes in the promises made. We do not believe in "bare-sign" application, or spiritual possession conferred by an outward act. What God chooses to do at the time of a baptism (adult or infant!) is his business. His Spirit blows when and where it will. Sometimes he works before a baptism, sometimes after, sometimes in the midst. Who are we to monitor his moves?

The questions: "what does baptism teach" and "what does MY baptism teach ME?" are conceptually distinct. Baptism teaches concerning union with Christ, which includes believers being "raised up with him." If I, as an adult, recognize NOW that God made those promises to ME, even before I was cognitively aware of such in my baptism, I do not thereby discount my baptism since those early days (until such recognition); but rather I recognize that God was the initiator of those promises, particularly to me, and he did so long before I was fully enriched by them.

What about the non-elect recipient? Well, we say God doesn't make a promise to save JoeSmith at baptism (infant or adult). He makes a promise to save every believer (including JoeSmith, as believer or when believing) who trusts Christ completely all the way to glory. The baptism becomes "JoeSmiths" at the time he believes in what it signifies. The fact that he may have had the promise before (sometimes long before) he believes it, only teaches the electing love of God is prior to anyone's appropriating it for himself. If JoeSmith refuses to believe what baptism teaches, then he will get the same thing he gets when he rejects the other gospel-words that come his way.

So, the faith signified in an outward baptism is the faith of believers, only. It may be proleptic (or not) in the case of an infant. It is only supposed to be represented in the faith of believing parents who present the child (infant baptism is not for children of non-church members, professors). And it signifies the faith of the church, and the faith of all the participants and observers who watch, see, understand, and believe the message of the gospel presented in baptism.
 
Thanks Bruce. If I understand, concerning the "through faith in the working of God", you are saying that baptism objectively signifies faith in the same way it signifies union with Christ and regeneration.
 
A paedo-baptist does not say you should ONLY baptize infants. When an adult professes faith for the first time, he is baptized. So Acts 2 doesn't seem problematic at all to me.

I'm not much of a blogger. I'm either too busy or don't have enough to say (or both) to keep doing it. But one of the few things I did blog was a discussion of Col. 2 and baptism. Here's a link. I think the last point about the true baptism being Christ's baptism is the crucial point that is missed in Paedo-Credo debates. Hope it helps.

I agree, I am a Presbyterian and as a paedo-baptist we do not say you should ONLY baptize infants. When an adult professes faith for the first time, he is baptized. So Acts 2 doesn't seem problematic to me either.
 
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Dudley,
You are either a paedo or a credo baptist. Everyone should know the differences by now. Baptism of confessing cognizant disciples alone is your understanding, or are you willing to say that infants without cognizant recognition are to be baptized as members of the new covenant whether they express faith or not. Dudley, you can not have it both ways as you seem to be playing the board. http://www.puritanboard.com/f48/reformed-baptist-oxymoron-59729/#post772023

Please don't be confusing.
 
Regarding the Acts 2 passages, I understand that paedo-baptists believe in the baptism of professing believers as well as infants. However, the phrase "those who received his word..." seems to me to define those who were baptized as those who received the word only - excluding infants and/or households. Similarly "each one of you" vs. "every household" or "each of you with your infant children".
 
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